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Standard naming for materials, subcategories

Postby Tim Waldock » 16 Nov 2012, 12:26

Hi all,
At the RUGSyd meetings in Oct & Nov 2012 we had a discussion about the new Revit v2013 materials setup, and realised that most of us will need to reorganise our materials libraries to suit it. No one seemed to know of a standard naming convention for Revit materials – we’ve looked at the US system “Masterformat”; ANZRS does not yet include materials. So we thought it would be useful to try to come up with a standard system that we might use in Australia (and NZ?).

The discussion then led to the naming conventions within ANZRS, and we realised that was just a starting point that we all need to build on (defined list of names in ANZRS are not comprehensive). However, we don’t want to each go off creating our own additional subcategories and shared parameters - even if they are compliant with the ANZRS naming convention, they’ll most likely be different.

So I am proposing that whoever is interested could start collaborating on an agreed materials naming convention, and extending the ANZRS list of subcategories & shared parameters.

So, I am calling for expressions of interest to be involved – I will try to coordinate this overall effort, but will need at least one person to be in charge of each of the following 3 topics, as well as participants in 3 separate discussions:
1. Revit Materials naming convention
2. Subcategory naming – additions to the ANZRS list
3. Shared Parameters naming – additions to the ANZRS list

What is required:
• Please let me know if you would like to lead one of the 3 discussions (& coordinate results);
• Please let me know if you would like to be involved in any of the 3 discussions (more than 1 is ok);
• Please list the discipline you are interested in – Architecture, Structures, MEP (we may need to separate some of the discussions for 2 & 3);
• Maybe need a volunteer to set up appropriate web forum(s) if required;

If you want to help or be involved, please respond here or send me a direct message.
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Re: Standard naming for materials, subcategories

Postby Tim Waldock » 31 Jan 2013, 14:45

BIM Standards Discussion – RUGS Meeting Dec 2012 - Meeting notes
By Neil Greenstreet
Senior Architect
NATSPEC // Construction Information

Purposes of material naming conventions
Identification of materials for:
• Visualisation/rendering
• Quantity take-off and cost planning
• Finishes schedules
• Specifications
• Structural analysis
• Thermal analysis
• Sustainability analysis (LCA, GreenStar, etc)
• Facility Management
• Other?

Issues/problems
• Differing requirements for information about materials by various stakeholders and their use cases, e.g. LCA, GreenStar, etc generally requires net quantities of constituent materials. (How much concrete, recyclable material, VOC emissions, etc?) Quantity take-off and costing generally requires quantities of material by standard forms of measurement (square metres of paint, plasterboard, etc).
• Following from the previous item: Making the distinction between materials in the sense of substances, e.g. steel, and materials in the sense of building products, e.g. steel beam.
• Accommodating changing LODs required during the design process and building lifecycle
• Handling the relationship between assemblies and their component materials
• Handling the relationship of substrates and finishes
• Linking and managing information about modelled and non-modelled items
• The relationship of material naming conventions to existing classification systems
• Naming conventions for generic and proprietary materials/products. How similar or different do they need to be?
• Other?

Potential resources or models
• The Netherlands Revit User group is working on a standard naming convention for materials: http://www.revitgg.nl/
http://www.bimgateway.co.uk/uclass/tree/?param=tableP
• Others?

Suggestions made about tackling the problem
Compile a list of the most common materials scheduled, e.g. glass, plasterboard, concrete, and work on these.

The following are some questions we might ask of group members:
Use cases
In what circumstances do you use material naming conventions?
What is the purpose or outcomes sought in using them in these circumstances?
Issues with use cases
What sort of issues or problems do you encounter with the provisions that Revit makes for managing materials for each use case noted?
Your naming conventions
What approach have you taken with your material naming conventions? (Include examples of your naming conventions and the rationale of their structure.)
What do you think works well with your system and what limitations or issues have you found?
What additional features would improve it?

References
Can you suggest/contribute any good reference material or articles on the topic?

Potential group members
Can you suggest any other people who might be willing to participate in or contribute to the group?
Previous responses:
People who attended the RUGS Meeting and left business cards:
Names to Tim Waldock please

Group direction and strategy
Any suggestions on tackling the task?

Possible direction from here
Some suggestions for your consideration:
1. Compile the responses to these notes/questions.
2. Compile a group contact list.
3. Establish a repository for documents and reference material submitted by the group.
4. Meet to discuss the findings and define the scope and direction of the project in more detail.
5. Have a Skype session or similar with the ANZRS committee to draw on their experience.
6. Develop the standards.

It is important to document the findings of the group as we proceed because:
• Ultimately the system will need to be documented for dissemination and to explain its rationale. It is easier to do this progressively.
• Providing documents to interested parties outside of the working group during the system’s development gives them something tangible to respond to and is more likely to engage a greater number of people.

Some documents on material classification systems that could be useful.
Omniclass Table 23: Products and Table 41: Materials can be downloaded from http://www.omniclass.org/
Masterformat system (USA & Canada):

Any response or If anyone is interested in being involved, please contact Tim Waldock - send a message via this forum
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Re: Standard naming for materials, subcategories

Postby leonrossdale » 07 Nov 2013, 23:04

Hey, I was trying to download the materials from the omniclass web site. I think there is some issue with the web site. It is not loading. The web site was loading fine just a few weeks back. I don't know what happened. Is there anything wrong with the website?

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Re: Standard naming for materials, subcategories

Postby armia741 » 04 Jan 2014, 22:47

Can you suggest any other people who might be willing to participate in or contribute to the group?
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Re: Standard naming for materials, subcategories

Postby Tim Waldock » 06 Jan 2014, 14:35

Hi "armia741" - I'm not sure what you are asking - do you want to contribute? We had quite a group of people discussing this at RUGSyd meetings a year ago, but it has gone quiet. ANZRS is also looking at this too, but no timetable set for it yet.
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